Comments on: Stealing Someone Else’s Sermon https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/ Daily Wisdom for Youth Workers. Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:58:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Tony Myles https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288309 Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:10:35 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288309 In reply to Bishop Rick Heines.

Brilliant. Now that’s a cool idea – behind-the-scenes accountability versus competition, full of inside jokes. 🙂

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By: Bishop Rick Heines https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288307 Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:00:28 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288307 The associate pastor and I (the youth pastor) at our former church used to filter each others messages for our statements original authors! His joke was that on my tombstone he was going to engrave, “never an original thought.” – I would engrave on his tombstone “don’t worry, it’s a dry heat.”

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By: Tony Myles https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288305 Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:40:49 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288305 In reply to Charlie.

It’s interesting that you mention the idea of having a team of people helping others craft messages. In a former church, I had a new senior pastor come in and ask me to start writing his messages for him. I wasn’t a fan of the idea, which he picked up on… and within a few months, I was no longer employed there. Perhaps it was related to other issues, or perhaps that was the main issue. In hindsight, I could have been more of a team player – but it would have been hard for me personally to get behind someone who I felt wasn’t being genuine with the church about where his content was coming from.

In other news, I have been a ghost writer for some authors who have more street value at selling a book than I do. I didn’t have a hard time doing it then… I wonder what the difference is in my hypocrisy. It wasn’t so much the paycheck, because I wasn’t paid on every job. Hmm… now I need a quiet time. 🙂 Thanks, Charlie.

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By: Charlie https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288303 Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:36:59 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288303 It sounds like the issue is in the selling, not the content. If you try and pass something off as your own, that’s not just (a form of) plagiarism, that’s dishonesty towards your audience. With videos and pictures, it can be very easy to see that it’s not original. With words, though, it’s more difficult to pinpoint.

To be fair, to ask someone to come up with original content all the time is really taxing. You don’t have to compromise creativity for originality. I’m not that creative. Several great speakers I know aren’t that creative. They have teams around them to help craft messages. If you use a team, does that take away from the genuineness of your message? I’m always upfront and honest when someone wants to compliment me on something I borrowed that it wasn’t me, but something I heard or read. Really, if you dig down deep enough, this is a heart issue. If you can’t be honest with your audience, you’ve got deeper problems, like pride or self glorification.

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By: Tony Myles https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288301 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:27:42 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288301 In reply to Travis.

Good catch on that, too. I sometimes feel that when people ask me, “Why doesn’t so-and-so speak more?” I want to reply, “Because so-and-so needs extended time to develop a message,” but that would sound/hint like I’m a superhero at it for doing it regularly. It does place that expectation (either way) that every message will be a homerun versus a base hit.

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By: Travis https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288299 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:11:33 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288299 In reply to Tony Myles.

I think it’s different if every week one is preaching someone else’s stuff. It is a fair practice but I wouldn’t want to make a normal practice of it.

And in the spirit of full disclosure, I don’t preach full time so it is not as much of an issue for me as it is for others.

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By: Travis https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288297 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:10:14 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288297 In reply to Tony Myles.

I think it’s different if every week one is preaching someone else’s stuff. It is a fair practice but I wouldn’t want to make a normal practice of it.

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By: Tony Myles https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288295 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 05:28:29 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288295 In reply to Steven Dowling.

Makes sense, Steven. I sense that students may not catch a borrowed theme as easily as savvy Christian adults might… but I think students can sense authenticity, though. Early on in ministry I mentioned to a prospective senior pastor who was interviewing me how I didn’t think using curriculum was a good idea when we should create our own stuff. He set me straight, explaining that it has its place – especially if it frees a youth worker up to spend more time with students versus message prep. I wonder what that balance truly looks like without it getting lazy.

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By: Tony Myles https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288293 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 05:25:38 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288293 In reply to Travis.

That’s fair, Travis. I imagine it helps your church to know there are breadcrumbs to your own journey on something. Do you think that the average person listening to a message allows for this or expects this to not be a trend, though?

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By: Travis https://youthministry.com/stealing-someone-elses-sermon/#comment-288291 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 01:57:58 +0000 http://youthmindev.wpengine.com/?p=43225#comment-288291 I have preached sermons that were heavily drawn from what God taught me through the sermons of others. I usually say something like “this is an area where God has used so and so to teach me and lead me. Much of what I am going to share with you today is what I learned from him/her”. Credit is established up front and if possible I even direct them to that person’s sermon(s) that I drew from so they can hear their version as well if they are interested. It’s all about being authentic and honest.

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